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« Reply #15 on: Jan 18th, 2007, 12:58pm »

on Jan 18th, 2007, 05:20am, pulphack wrote:
a Maria vs Tod face-off on myspace? got to be done...






... be careful what you wish for. Some of us are sad enough to open their 532nd g.mail account in three days ...





Even the later Carry On's are good for location spotters. Anybody recognise the football ground in Carry On Loving?
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The inn sign ... was in the nature of a coffin supported by six headless bearers goose-stepping towards a white headstone, and underneath this somewhat forbidding daub with grim irony, the legend 'Ye Journey's End' - Guy Preston, The Inn.

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« Reply #16 on: Jan 18th, 2007, 1:28pm »

Blimey! You didn't submit that picture and question to carry-online did you? And didn't they decide it was Brentford? (Despite most of the film taking place in Windsor)
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 18th, 2007, 1:34pm »

Can't resist it -

Hattie : I know you've been seeing that girl at the tobacconists.

Sid (fondling pipe) : I only go there for my shag.


Sid (bending down to ogle two girls in mini skirts) : Blimey! If they get any shorter there'll be two more cheeks to powder!
(He stands and hails cab) Jacksey! ...er...Taxi!


Sincere apologies to all fans of Tod Slaughter for this crude and unnecessary interruption - let's rejoin Dem back at The Red Barn...
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 29th, 2007, 2:17pm »

Before we get around to the film, there's this. For all I know about theatre, there may well have been a Cain Foxborough, and he's probably the most famous person ever, but there's enough of the Tod about this one to sneak it in here and besides, it's a great story.

Roger Johnson - The Melodrama: (Ghosts & Scholars #10, 1988) Colchester, 1910: the ghost of a recently murdered girl manifests onstage during a 1910 performance of The Murder of Maria Marten at the Corn Exchange, Colchester, starring Cain Foxborough, "one of the last of the once numerous race of barnstormers" whose company "specialises in innocent, old fashioned 'blood and thunder.'" At the play's climax, with Squire Corber about to swing from the gallows, the trapdoor opens and two figures fall through. Foxborough calms the audience while the police investigate. They find one actor dead having hit his head in on a trunk which has burst open to reveal ....

Told in a series of letters from Lucy Underwood to her sister, this also takes in a tour of Polstead (although the infamous barn had long since been burned to the ground).
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Re: Murder At The Grange
« Reply #19 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 08:59am »

First of all, a big "bonjour" to everyone as it's my first post on this forum...

I'm a true Tod Slaughter afficionado since forty years, as I started to make extensive search on the man, his movies, stages plays, radio and TV appearances, etc.

About "Murder at the Grange". It was part, not of "a trio of featurettes", but of a series probably intended for television but never aired (apart from the recent showing of MATG on BBC, I mean).
The EXACT number of these featurettes remains unknown, in spite of years of enquiries at the BFI, and mails from Victor M. Gover's son, people who worked on these films, etc.
What is certain: three of them were re-united to form the 1952 "feature" KING OF THE UNDERWORLD. I have seen these three titles. An American friend found them in a Movie Fair years ago, in 16mm reels, and as SEPARATE featurettes. The end of the third featurette was slightly transformed for the feature, as Patrick Barr is seen before a prison's door with a notice announcing that Terence Reilly "was hanged for his crimes".
I have seen the two versions of this third featurette, and it's possible that the ending was lifted (for the feature) from a later episode concluding the series.

Anyway, in 1954, another featurette was released, also made from three shorts, it was MURDER AT SCOTLAND YARD. To date I didn't see neither the featurette nor the shorts as separate entities.

The same year, MURDER AT THE GRANGE was released theatrically as a featurette, but this title was a new one, as it was originally filmed as DEATH AT THE FESTIVAL. It's probably when the credits were remade that some idiot simply forgot to mention the name of the star of the series. Remember, if you've seen the US version of "Mother Riley Meets the Vampire", called "My Son the Vampire", it got the same problem, as neither Arthur Lucan nor Bela Lugosi's names appear in this US print !!!

It would make a total of seven featurettes. Another short movie, A GHOST FOR SALE, from the same studio, director, and with the same three principals (Slaughter, Patrick Barr and Tucker McGuire) was also released in 1954, but is NOT part of the main series.

However, when I made these researchs at the BFI and other places, it became quickly apparent that other featurettes from the same series were made and - apparently - never released. In fact, I even have one on video, THE RED FLAME. It was NOT part of any of the two feature films. Other titles appears, like MURDER IN THE STRAND, THE SHOWDOWN, etc. For these titles I have generally the cast list and a set of stills, and they are not the same than the seven which were released.

In the series, Tod Slaughter played not only arch-criminal Terence Reilly (not "Riley"), but his malevolent brother Patrick ! it's Patrick, not Terence, mascarading as butler Clarence Beecham in MATG.

I agree that MATG is perhaps not the better film ever made, but generally, judging from the four other titles I saw, the series itself was pleasant, even if not "great Slaughter" (but in an episode from the first feature, for instance, you can watch him killing an old scientist with the same pleasure than in his classic movies).
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 09:34am »

Bonjour to you too, Monsieur Todd. I think we've already met on the sadly quiet Tod board ?

Thanks very much for joining and for your informative post. What are you planning to do with The Red Showdown? I think if there were a way for you to help it find its way into circulation it would be avidly snapped up by Slaughter aficionado's. Is the film quality better than the wretched DVD reproductions?

The only Slaughter siting of late has been his appearance in the horror episode of the BBC's British Film Forever which included clips from Crimes At The Dark House and At Home With Todd Slaughter.
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 12th, 2013, 05:15am »

Finally I come back after a 6-years absence.
In the interval I found several other works by our beloved Tod for television, like his incredited appearance in an episode of "The Count of Monte-Cristo" series, and, more interestingly, in another from "Fabian of the Yard", co-starring with Bruce Seton for the third time, after "Sweeney Todd" and "The Curse of the Wraydons". Curiously this episode is NOT listed on IMDb, but, anyway, they list only 36 titles when 39 were made. I do have the "missing" episode, "Moral Murder", on DVD.

Furthermore I continued the search about the "Inspector Morley" series. As I told before none of the épisodes was ever shown in Great-Britain, excepted "Murder at the Grange" during the last decade, fifty years (!) after its completion... But 6 épisodes were shown theatrically as two "features", "King of the Underworld" and "Murder at Scotland Yard" - and a 7th episode, "Murder at the Grange", as a featurette. Another featurette by the same studio, director, and with the same trio of actors (Slaughter, Patrick Barr, Tucker McGuire) called "A Ghost for Sale" was also released in theaters, but has no direct connection with the "main series".

But this main series, composed of 13 épisodes, was broadcast in America. They were shot in 35mm and also available on 16mm prints, so they must exist... somewhere. As I told you, I have seen five of them to date. All the épisodes were shown on WGN-TV in 1954 & 1955, as well as on some other channels of the NY area. This is a certitude. Now, where are the prints... is another mystery.

The BFI not only has "A Ghost for Sale", but also "Bothered By a Beard", and an episode of the "Lilli Palmer Theatre", called "Forecast Unsettled". So, if you live in London or not too far from this city, you can watch these titles, the two first ones at least, as apparently "Forecast Unsettled" has not been transfered to DVD, or any other "watchable" process.

I still continue my research, as I'm writing a book on Tod to be published in France - as apparently nobody is interested for Tod Slaughter book neither in England nor in the USA (I contacted many publishers, including McFarland in America). So of course the book will be in French, sorry.

In recent years I found a lot of rare materials on Tod's films, including an original Argentinian poster for "Maria Marten", and an Italian one for "Crimes at the Dark House" (as well as some Italian color lobbies from the same release).

And of course I bought all the British DVD releases, "Maria Marten", "Sweeney Todd", "Stephen Hawke", "Song of the Road", "It's Never Too Late to Mend", "The Face at the Window", "Crimes at the Dark House" and "The Greed of William Hart". I hope the others will follow...
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